@ Gilles Surprenant, ASTROLOGIE de V. POUTINE
Publié : 27 janv. 2025 09:54
Bonjour Gilles et merci pour toute cette information dont tu nous as gratifiés depuis quelque temps sur l'ancien forum. Cela a répondu à certaines de mes questions.
Concernant la carte du ciel de Vladimir Poutine, j'aimerais apporter certaines informations. Pour faire bref, les coordonnées figurant sur les sites d'astrologie sont probablement erronées. Cf. -POUTINE ET ZELENSKYY- ETYMOLOGIE et CARTE DU CIEL
par gilles surprenant Wednesday 22 January 2025, https://www.orandia.com/forum/index.php?id=209050
L'AstroDataBank du site astro.com en offre une excellente discussion. En effet, les coordonnées remises par Stef de Groot, le webmaster du président, semblent fausses, car il cite l'heure de naissance sur le certificat de naissance, alors qu'en Russie, l'heure n'est pas indiquée et qu'il n'y a pas de certificat de naissance! Par ailleurs, les officiers du KGB ont comme consigne de ne jamais révéler de détails personnels.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Putin,_Vladimir
Name Putin, Vladimir Gender: M
Birthname Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
born on 7 October 1952 at 09:30
Place St.Petersburg, Russian Federation, 59n55, 30e18
Timezone MSK h3e (is standard time)
Data source
Conflicting/unverified
Rodden Rating DD
Collector: Rodden
Source Notes
Matthew Quellas quotes Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website, "The time of birth was from his official Soviet birth certificate, as you inquired."
Original Message-----
From: Matthew Quellas <mquellas@juno.com> To: stefdegroot@mail.ru Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:50:50 -0700 Subject: Re: President Putin's birth data
Dear Mr Quellas, Mr Putin was born early in the morning, at 9:30 a.m. Moscow Time, in downtown St Petersburg. I hope this is of any use to you. Kindly, Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website http://vladimirputin.4u.ru/ http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Pa ... 160/Putin/ --- end quote
These data have been challenged by several correspondents who claim that Russian birth records do not contain a time of birth, and that members of the KGB are instructed to never release personal information. They may be given an A rating as quoted from a substantial source, but may not be considered B.C. unless verified by hard copy.
Claudia von Schierstedt quotes Spiegel "archives" in Meridian March/April 2000, time unknown.
Richard Nolle quotes Boris Izraitel in Russia for 1:00 PM, with a note that "the time is from Putin's private conversation with an unknown reporter who then passed this information to a friend, S. Klimov. Kilmov described the reporter as one of the most reliable sources in his hunt for celebrity birth data."
The first data quote is ambiguous with "archives," and the second is circuitous and questionable; the data can not be considered as confirmed.
In the ISAR online newsletter, 4/09/2000, Sergey Smelyakov gives 16.10 LT, 13.10 GMT from the rectification presented in the Russian translation of the article of J. Weiss that was initially published in the Astrologie Heute # 83, Feb/Mar 2000, Switzerland. In Apr/May 2015, Weiss continues to defend his rectification as fitting events.
Mikhael Borisovich writes on 12/19/2001 that the time of birth is doubtful as it states certificate of birth and in Russia, there are no certificates. Birth records are kept in state archives. He rectifies the time to 2:47 AM.
Starkman rectified to 09.35.52 MSK Asc 4Sco04' . Marc Penfield rectified to 4:35 pm, Asc 27Cap.
As of 2014, there are claims that Putin was born exactly two years earlier, in 1950, not in 1952. There are also claims that he was born in Metechi, Georgia, not in Russia, to a woman named Vera Putina, born 6 September 1926. Supposedly he was sent to distant relatives as foster parents, also named Putin, in St. Petersburg, in 1960.
Le rating (classement) de la valeur des coordonnées se voit octroyer la note de DD, soit Dirty Data, donc peu fiable.
DD Dirty Data : Two or more conflicting quotes that are unqualified. These data are offered as a reference in order to document their lack of reliability and prevent their being presented elsewhere as factual. They are often sincere attempts to find a birth time that have met with ambiguous results. In many cases, the presentation of Dirty Data leads to the discovery of an accurate source and the data are updated to a category of greater accuracy.
Par ailleurs, étant donné l'usage intensif de l'astrologie par les dirigeants russes, jamais, ils ne fourniraient les véritables coordonnées.
Nous pouvons donc penser que même la date de naissance est fausse!
Concernant la carte du ciel de Vladimir Poutine, j'aimerais apporter certaines informations. Pour faire bref, les coordonnées figurant sur les sites d'astrologie sont probablement erronées. Cf. -POUTINE ET ZELENSKYY- ETYMOLOGIE et CARTE DU CIEL
par gilles surprenant Wednesday 22 January 2025, https://www.orandia.com/forum/index.php?id=209050
L'AstroDataBank du site astro.com en offre une excellente discussion. En effet, les coordonnées remises par Stef de Groot, le webmaster du président, semblent fausses, car il cite l'heure de naissance sur le certificat de naissance, alors qu'en Russie, l'heure n'est pas indiquée et qu'il n'y a pas de certificat de naissance! Par ailleurs, les officiers du KGB ont comme consigne de ne jamais révéler de détails personnels.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Putin,_Vladimir
Name Putin, Vladimir Gender: M
Birthname Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
born on 7 October 1952 at 09:30
Place St.Petersburg, Russian Federation, 59n55, 30e18
Timezone MSK h3e (is standard time)
Data source
Conflicting/unverified
Rodden Rating DD
Collector: Rodden
Source Notes
Matthew Quellas quotes Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website, "The time of birth was from his official Soviet birth certificate, as you inquired."
Original Message-----
From: Matthew Quellas <mquellas@juno.com> To: stefdegroot@mail.ru Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:50:50 -0700 Subject: Re: President Putin's birth data
Dear Mr Quellas, Mr Putin was born early in the morning, at 9:30 a.m. Moscow Time, in downtown St Petersburg. I hope this is of any use to you. Kindly, Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website http://vladimirputin.4u.ru/ http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Pa ... 160/Putin/ --- end quote
These data have been challenged by several correspondents who claim that Russian birth records do not contain a time of birth, and that members of the KGB are instructed to never release personal information. They may be given an A rating as quoted from a substantial source, but may not be considered B.C. unless verified by hard copy.
Claudia von Schierstedt quotes Spiegel "archives" in Meridian March/April 2000, time unknown.
Richard Nolle quotes Boris Izraitel in Russia for 1:00 PM, with a note that "the time is from Putin's private conversation with an unknown reporter who then passed this information to a friend, S. Klimov. Kilmov described the reporter as one of the most reliable sources in his hunt for celebrity birth data."
The first data quote is ambiguous with "archives," and the second is circuitous and questionable; the data can not be considered as confirmed.
In the ISAR online newsletter, 4/09/2000, Sergey Smelyakov gives 16.10 LT, 13.10 GMT from the rectification presented in the Russian translation of the article of J. Weiss that was initially published in the Astrologie Heute # 83, Feb/Mar 2000, Switzerland. In Apr/May 2015, Weiss continues to defend his rectification as fitting events.
Mikhael Borisovich writes on 12/19/2001 that the time of birth is doubtful as it states certificate of birth and in Russia, there are no certificates. Birth records are kept in state archives. He rectifies the time to 2:47 AM.
Starkman rectified to 09.35.52 MSK Asc 4Sco04' . Marc Penfield rectified to 4:35 pm, Asc 27Cap.
As of 2014, there are claims that Putin was born exactly two years earlier, in 1950, not in 1952. There are also claims that he was born in Metechi, Georgia, not in Russia, to a woman named Vera Putina, born 6 September 1926. Supposedly he was sent to distant relatives as foster parents, also named Putin, in St. Petersburg, in 1960.
Le rating (classement) de la valeur des coordonnées se voit octroyer la note de DD, soit Dirty Data, donc peu fiable.
DD Dirty Data : Two or more conflicting quotes that are unqualified. These data are offered as a reference in order to document their lack of reliability and prevent their being presented elsewhere as factual. They are often sincere attempts to find a birth time that have met with ambiguous results. In many cases, the presentation of Dirty Data leads to the discovery of an accurate source and the data are updated to a category of greater accuracy.
Par ailleurs, étant donné l'usage intensif de l'astrologie par les dirigeants russes, jamais, ils ne fourniraient les véritables coordonnées.
Nous pouvons donc penser que même la date de naissance est fausse!